Saturday, May 28, 2005

#5

This post is gonna be serious, in answer to Kaushik's question about my stand regarding 'secularism' in our country.

Nowadays, there's a lot of talk going around about certain parties exhibiting "pseudo-secularism". This talk mainly stems from the religious fundamentalist right wing parties. I think, that its better to be "pseudo-secular"(PS) than to be downright fundamentalist. This is because, if you're PS, you have certain responsibilities to ensure that your false image does not get busted. Whereas if you're a right wing fundamentalist ****er, any responsibility that you could have, vanishes into empty space. So, right wing fundamentalist's, in my opinion, have no right to call anyone else pseudo secular or anything else for that matter, because they don't have the guts to assume any responsibility themselves.

And as for the existence of secularism in our country, I think secularism has always existed in our society, its only natural considering the existence of so many different races in it. At least, a majority of our society is secular. There are still those people, stewing at home everyday, spewing out trash about how people from other religions are retarted,or hateful, or criminals, or untrustworthy, or (insert heinous character disorder here) . If it weren't for these people, where would our right-wing be? And now let me come to the very basis of right wing philosophy, as I understand it.

You hit me, I hit you back.

Fine enough, if you look at it from a simple, shallow point of view. But,when you're dealing with the lives of thousands of people, a little reconsideration might be in order.Questions have to be asked,for instance, why did you hit me? Was it something I did? Here comes the part where you asess the reason the other person hit you in the first place, and eventually this boils down to accepting the fact that you are wrong some of the time, which is so hard for our right wing brethren to do.
Now let us delve a little deeper,look into the future,another thing our right wing cousins abhorr.

You hit me, I hit you back.
Ok, now if you're the person who has been 'hit back' so to speak, whats to stop you from repeating the whole cycle and going:

You hit me back, I hit you back for hitting me back.
?? Where will this end?
Another point I'd like to make.

You hit me.I hit you back.

Ok.Hit me back. But. Don't hit everyone who lives in my neighbourhood back because they live in my neighbourhood.In other contexts, neighbourhood may be substituted with religion,caste,creed or any other supposed 'point of distinction'.

Now I'd like to bring you all back to a very basic point, which has been raised countless number of times, but never seems to invoke a response.
Heres futile attempt at invoking a response no.1326453 :
WHY must people be separated based on anything?Actually, I should use the word 'discriminated' instead, because 'separated' can also have positive connotations. I think I know the answer to that question. If there were no discriminations, where would our right wing chums find an outlet to their hatred? It would all just get dissolved in the vast mass of humanity that is our society. Now what a waste that would be!! So, in order to make optimum use of pent up hatred, there have to make discriminations in society. Its that simple.

You hit me. I hit you back.

I don't know about you, but something strikes me as odd about that statement. That's what pops into my head when I first think about being hit. But, among the small bits of experience that I have collected over the years, theres one bit that says "the first thought that pops into your head is mostly wrong". I'd like to point out an example,to append this axiom of mine:

Everybody who has their dear ones killed or injured will most definitely feel like killing the person responsible once news of the incident is reached. Think about that, if everybody went around doing that, there'd be blood all over the streets with people burning and stabbing each other all the time(oh wait, thats what happened in the Gujarat riots). Thats why we have law, to prevent that. Yet, our right wing pals preach exactly that: tit for tat, an eye for an eye,so on and so forth.

There are many more examples to prove this, which I'm sure you can think of yourself. This only applies to those reactions which involve hurt to the initiating party,physical or mental. And now to the point, right wing fundamentalists live off the exhibition of base emotions, the ones still remaining from our days as single celled organisms. So, I think, that the time has come for us to stop listening to these base emotions and deplete the lag between our physical and mental evolution.

27 Comments:

Blogger Kaushik said...

Well written, although I feel that this issue needs many more posts to cover it. You have addressed a very small part of the topic. It could definitely do with more discussion. Also I feel that you seem to have repeated some points unnecessarily.
Kaushik

11:06 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, I like your you hit me I hit you back blog - looks like the medium is actually getting you to say a lot of the things that have so far been inchoate either in your head, or in our family cons.

Of course, I like your blog because I feel the same way - you have to get some more feedback from people who are the 'silent majority' - in other words, the privileged, educated dumb ones. All the best!

Keep telling me when you have new stuff to read.

11:08 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah da Dhruva, thats why I said thats what forms the 'basis' of right wing policy, thats not the whole policy! There are many other mindless add-ons to finish their overall persona

1:48 am  
Blogger JMPerkins said...

First off, the reason that discrimation and or distinctions exist is because human beings need to classify things as threat or nonthreat (a snake vs a goat) good or bad (poison vs bread). And often times they need to do this very quickly, time is not a luxury one who is in danger can afford. With people, snap judgements sometimes must be made... of course often these judgements are just wrong, particularly when using such broad classifications such as religion.
Secondly your 'you hit me I hit you' line reminded me of a bit from a poem called 'a dialogue of self and soul' where the author talks about being a blind man battering blind men (you can get the text here http://www.poemhunter.com/p/m/poem.asp?poet=3057&poem=13754 )
thirdly... uh what country is your country? You'll have to excuse me, I am a very ignorant web goer who randomly stumbled upon your blog through use of the 'next blog button' It seems as though you all know each other in real life... and I will cease posting\reading if you so desire.

4:06 am  
Blogger JMPerkins said...

my bad, i looked at kaushik's profile and can now assume you are in india.

4:07 am  
Blogger Shyshe said...

Thanks for replying lokon, and I'd like to say, why do human beings have to assume that they're constantly living under threat, and therefore classify things as dangerous and not-dangerous?

7:19 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not bad shyshe. Although you seem to have reiterated the 'you hit me...' concept it seems to fit with the spontaneity of the blog. I like your style its clear and concise. Will definitely like to read your stuff later on...
shivani

7:46 am  
Blogger JMPerkins said...

"why do human beings have to assume that they're constantly living under threat, and therefore classify things as dangerous and not-dangerous?"
because back when we were still worried about getting eaten by animals we were living under constant threat
and as for now... well the constant threat mentality is in part a holdover from our less then cushy past. And also real threats exist... and for some people this is reason enough to live their life in constant fear. Sad but unfortunately true.
I put it 'the world is a many sharp toothed thing. there is much you would feast upon, and much that would feast upon you.'

6:36 pm  
Blogger Aditi said...

hey well written...of course, there's a lott more that could have been said...like kogi said...

10:25 pm  
Blogger JMPerkins said...

btw, you said that mayhaps your readers should post questions they would like you to answer? Well if this is still the case I have a question for you... what do you think should be done concerning the kashmir region?

11:48 am  
Blogger Shyshe said...

Ok, Lokon, I understand what you're trying to say,and I agree that there are threats in today's society.What I don't understand is why whole communities have to branded as threats without anything to substantiate such claims. Basically what I'm against are the gross generalisations made by thes e hardcore people.

And about the Kashmir issue, I think a peaceful solution can be reached, with a little work from both sides.what I am against is the flaring up of emotions by political parties here in the name of pakistan and "Miyan Musharraf". Exactly HOW does the Kashmir issue affect the people in Gujarat? WHAT happened to wanting good ol' roads,water,electricity and maybe a bit of peace?But if you analyse the campaign of the present Gujarati chief-minister, you will notice that the point he kept on re-iterating was that he was going to take action on "Miyan Musharraf". Well it would certainly help the Kashmir issue if these blabbermouths would just shut up and stop raising anti-pakistan statements and let the central government or the army take care of the kasmir issue.

10:41 pm  
Blogger Shyshe said...

And Kaushik and Aditi, I'm sorry if I was unable to cover the whole topic. I have but a small brain unable to grasp the entirety of the situation. I was just stating my own point of view.

10:43 pm  
Blogger Kaushik said...

Discrimination: I think discrimination is a very useful thing. If one guy's a Muslim, and another guy's a Hindu, sure, there's only one god, but they do belong to different religions.

Take for example the secularism in school issue in France. Sikhs were not allowed to wear turbans to school, muslim girls were not allowed to wear purdahs, etc. I think it is quite sad that secularism is understood as ignoring the other person's identity rather than accepting it.

Secularism should be realising the differences and appreciating them, but unfortunately, as society gets more and more paranoid about religion-based acts of violence, they want to start hiding their religions.
Kaushik
P.S. I don't think that came out very well, I wrote it in a hurry...

11:40 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

luv call me sometime...
im changing my number ..will give it to u tom...

lets do something sometime!!!i forgot how u sound and ive forgotten how u look...k not really but it sounds alot more dramatic..

8:27 am  
Blogger Kaushik said...

megha, once in a while, do you mind actually commenting on the post? That's kinda why they're called comments in the first place.
Kaushik

4:31 am  
Blogger JMPerkins said...

shyshe need a guestbook
otherwise kaushik will keep scaring away all the ladies that come calling. aww crap, I just commented on something that didn't involve the post.

5:52 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thats the best suggestion 've ever heard. way to go kaushik!! and u too lokon, whoever u are..... !

9:44 am  
Blogger JMPerkins said...

shyshe...
are you dead?

2:26 pm  
Blogger Kaushik said...

Well, Shyshe, Dhruva and the other guys whom I've listed on my blog seem to be in a state of bloggal inactivity
Kaushik

8:48 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

u guys played soooooooo well!!

12:50 pm  
Blogger Kaushik said...

I think Megha has made it a point not to comment on the post.
Kaushik

11:55 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why have you stopped saying any more? What about the law School stuff? Wasn't that enough to inspire some blogging? Don't have such long gaps between blogs. Put up your concert schedule and all...

7:32 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

commenting on the posts is boooring..



i havent even read one....sigh..
i should na?

damn it...sometime soon KSHK..ill read em all

12:09 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and urs too shishir!!!

play again at unwind and let me know in advance....
dont be an asswipe and tell me on a thurs b4 the show!!

and ill come sometime 2 hear u play...free show!!hehe ..get rest of the band too....it ll b sooo cool...like an exclusive show or someting!!!wit viki and druva!yay!!






its late and im bored...
someone get online..
and NO,im not high.

although i should rightfully be in speed as of this moment or atleast on my way back home....*SIGH*....

12:14 pm  
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